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Summary of previous podcast season

What happened in Season 1?

Over the last year at Uponor, we’ve been working on a new project: the Urbanista podcast. In a series of interviews we’ve had the opportunity to talk with some of the most interesting people involved in the world of urban planning and water management. These fascinating talks have ranged from topics such as sustainability, infrastructure, extreme weather and recycling, to LCAs, EPDs, AI and more, much more. Here’s a summary of the highlights of those chats.

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Hei! Welcome to The Urbanista Season 2.

The podcast for urban designers and city planners where we discuss about city water management and sustainable urban development. 

We are starting this season with a new episode that summarizes all the important and hot topics we discussed during Season 1. The main topics for discussion were city water management, water prices (Is the water too cheap in the Nordics?), how to prevent urban flooding, stormwater management, sustainability, data-driven urban design, and numerous others. If you missed Season 1, this is a perfect opportunity to briefly catch up on all the topics! Let us know what was your favorite episode. 
 
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Are we paying too little for the water?

The first conversation was with Ilari Aho, Vice President of Sustainability and Regulatory Affairs at Uponor. He explained the importance of society accepting the water investment cost.
Ilari suggested that when we look towards achieving sustainability goals, there is the issue of keeping the cost of investment acceptable to the stakeholder. I.e., the user. Ilari explained that globally speaking, the cost of water doesn’t cover the investment. This means we are behind in updating infrastructure. So, what is needed are new engineering solutions, but also a water-rates system that realistically reflects the costs but does not result in an unfair system that impacts the most vulnerable.
Ilari talked about starting from a social angle. Engaging the community, but also designing solutions that maintain the investment that we put into the water system at a reasonable cost. That’s the only way that we can get the acceptance needed to reach the sustainability goals. However, he warned that it won’t be simple; the solution will probably deserving of a Nobel prize .
 

Reduce flooding risk in cities in a sustainable way

The second interview was with Uponor’s Stormwater Solution Manager, Rickard Granath and Stormwater Sales Manager, Jean Saarinen. They told of some the new challenges that extreme weather events are causing. Rickard and Jean also explained how old infrastructure can be a problem and new solutions might also be necessary to prevent stormwater from negatively affecting the quality of our lakes, ponds and seas. These solutions might include rain gardens, stormwater chambers and other solutions that can help clean heavy metals and phosphorus from the water. Solutions that will mean our children have clean lakes to swim in.
Rickard and Jean also talked about the sustainability of stormwater systems and explained how new materials like fossil-free plastics can help to reduce the carbon footprint. They also shared some ideas of possible ways of reusing water, for example when watering green areas.
These are big questions to resolve with just one simple solution. However, by breaking these challenges into smaller projects and working together with industry and society they explained we can find a way forward.
 

How can children teach us to solve climate change?

Next, the Urbanista was at the World Water Conference where we caught up with Lars Nørgård Holmegaard, CEO of the water utility of Lemvig, Denmark.
He explained the problems Denmark is facing with rising water levels and climate change. Over the last 25 years the groundwater has risen more than one metre and in the last 40 years there has been 25% more rain. They are facing some serious challenges.
In response, back in 2015 the Klimatorium was started. This is a non-profit organisation with the goal of real solutions for climate problems. There they find the problems that need solutions and connect them with new knowledge from universities. They are finding companies that can offer solutions and finding people who live with the problem, for example schoolchildren, and connecting them together to find good results for everyone.
Lars gave the example of the unused plastic fishing nets in the seas. If they were to take them up and burn  them it would release masses of Co2 into the atmosphere, so the Klimatorium contacted some Danish companies that know how to separate the types of plastic in nets, and now they can be repurposed.
Lars’ urges us to start speaking with each other and listen to the children. “If you can help a child to understand the issue, it will be easier to communicate with other adults.”
 

Efficient water networks. What does it take?

Klara Ramn is the Executive Committee member of EurEau, the European Federation of National Associations of Water Services. She talked with the Urbanista and explained how EurEau is a unique group of experts trying to explain how the sector works and how EU law works.
The challenge she has been facing is to make the water network more efficient. She explained that the first important step is learn about your network. Then you need to check that the water metering in the network is working and fit for purpose. Next you have to take care of your network: the pipes, the materials you use and the age of the pipes. There are a lot of small factors to consider.
Her message was clear, we have to invest in the circular economy. Sustainable and durable materials and pipes that last a long time, work properly and don’t leak. As well as this, it’s very important to reuse. For example, how can we replace broken pipes by reusing old pipes?
 

Collaborative approach to Life Cycle Assessment 

At the end of 2022, we had the chance to talk with Gregory Norris, the director of SHINE, the Sustainability and Health Initiative for Net Positive Enterprise at MIT, and teacher of Life Cycle Assessment at Harvard University. Gregory is also currently Director of Science at Earthster.org.
Gregory explained to us that Life Cycle Assessments are about looking at all the issues that are important environmentally, and looking at them in relation to products. This theory has also been applied to lifestyles, households, regions, companies, and more. Life cycle refers to the cycle of a product from cradle to grave. Cradle means you consider not just the creation of the product, but also the inputs used in the product, and the inputs used to create the inputs.
Gregory shared some fascinating insights regarding data modelling. There is actually so much data that it had to be consolidated into one database available around the world, and that was the birth of the Ecoinvent database – the largest, most transparent LCA database in the world.
He suggested two ways for a company to reduce their carbon. The first is electricity from renewable sources. The second, obtain either a prior life-cycle assessment about your organisation or perform your own life cycle assessment, because you may discover that the electricity you purchase is just one percent of the footprint and fifty percent of the footprint is in the use-phase or from the key suppliers.
 

Carbon footprint offsetting, the right way.

Our first chat of 2023 was about carbon offsetting with Nicklas Kaskeala, Co-Founder & Chief Impact Officer at Compensate, a company which offers everyone easy access to the highest quality carbon projects.
He explained that carbon offsetting is a way to take responsibility for those emissions you can’t completely avoid or minimise. Every day, greenhouse emissions around the world are being caused. Carbon offsetting is a way to try to counterbalance those emissions by supporting projects that either sequester or remove carbon from the atmosphere.
He emphasised that it is not an alternative to emission reductions, rather something you should do on top of those reductions. Some of these solutions are nature-based solutions, but there are also some engineered solutions, like direct air capture machines and storing carbon.
He gave the clear example of the earth’s atmosphere like a bathtub, and the greenhouses gases in the atmosphere are the water running into the bathtub. We have had the tap on and the water has been running for centuries, resulting in a situation where the water level is already dangerously high, in fact it is overflowing.
 

Recycled materials - second class quality? 

In our next episode we talked with Franz Cuculiza, Business Director of Denmark’s first plastic recycling company, Aage Vestergaard Larsen A/S, the Nordic region's largest high-quality plastics recycling company. The origins of the company date back to the amazing story of the founder of the company, Aage Vestergaard Larsen, who found bought a plastic recycling machine, brought it to Denmark and started to do it himself. They now create raw material from recycled plastic which can be used for products that can be reused again and again.
Franz has worked in the business area for fifty years and shared with his deep understanding of plastic recycling. He stressed that the recycled plastic final product must be good enough to make plastic to go back to a household. However, he explained that from the business point of view, we cannot allow it to be more expensive than the virgin material.
 

Monitoring water quality. Is technology improving?  

Back at the World Water Congress, in Copenhagen, Denmark , we talked with Patryk Wójtowicz – Research Manager at Savonia University of Applied Sciences, and Water Network Modelling Expert in the field of environmental engineering.
He told us about his role in the Kuopio Water Cluster, which combines together the power of more than 150 experts to make sure that the ideas that are starting in academia can be converted into real products.
Their lab has a water loop which is a scaled down version of a real water network, and in a very compact time frame they can recreate any kind of scenario that could happen in a real network, including even a cross-contamination.
He explained that water utilities have a commitment to making savings. Wastewater treatment uses notoriously large amounts of energy and companies have a water footprint that they want to reduce. Digitalisation allows the bill to be reduced so they won’t need so much manpower in the future and it also keeps the costs at a reasonable level.
 

Data-driven urban design. How to collect data for city planning?  

In March we had a fascinating chat with Natalia Rincón, Co-Founder and CEO at CHAOS, an AI startup focused on location intelligence forecasts to improve the liveability of cities.
She explained more about CHAOS, a location intelligence company which collects and geolocates data. They clean it, put it together, apply AI data science, and gets new insights from this.
A a location can be an intangible thing. For example, a community like a neighbourhood in your city that has a characteristic. It might be that in a very young, progressive, or liberal neighbourhood, you might find a lot of internet searches for vegetarian restaurants, or for certain hobbies that appeal to people. This way, you can quantify sentiments and feelings. Consequently, something that we might think of as qualitative, can also be quantitative.
This becomes important because, with regard to a municipality, the goal is to attract taxpayers and raise their quality of life. So, when making a more general or detailed zoning plan you need to understand a lot of influencing factors.
 

What role water plays in urban design? 

In the spring, Päivi Raivio, a Helsinki-based designer who has dedicated her career to creating better public spaces through urban intervention and placemaking talked to the Urbanista about placemaking.
Placemaking is about creating public spaces. It gathers together a wide variety of people who are somehow working with urban spaces. This might include developers, real estate owners, designers, and architects; but also facilitators and people who work for municipalities. Placemaking could start with small strategic actions like placing a few chairs, watching where people move, and from there building up a place-led development. As cities are becoming denser, we need higher quality urban spaces and from a placemaking point of view this means opportunities for people to meet each other, have a space to relax but also to enjoy the good urban life.
Päivi told how she often uses wood in the modular projects with a view to sustainability, but wood is also a comfortable material. It is also important to highlight the green / bio-materials like plants because access to greenery for children is a playful thing, but it’s also a health thing. It’s a way to develop your relationship to nature. The quality of the environment where they spend so many hours per day has a big effect of how they interact with plants. It’s even proven that contact with soil on a daily basis can boost children’s immunity systems.
 

How to treat polluted stormwater? 

In May,Rickard Granath, Stormwater Solutions expert at Uponor Infra, told us about the challenges involved in managing stormwater.
He explained there are many types of pollution that enter stormwater. For example, car fumes that cause pollution, but also the materials that cars are built of. When a car brakes, the rubber from the tyres corrodes and that all goes down the drain. The same goes for buildings. Roofs are made of copper and zinc that eventually corrodes and that too enters the stormwater.
Rickard explained the systems used to separate the particles and treat the water. Oil separators, and similar treatment techniques also separate the particles, but also filter the heavy metal ions that are in the water. 
One of the main points Rickard highlighted was that of maintenance. Of course, filtered pollutants don’t disappear, they don’t vanish into thin air. They stay in the plant. Maintenance means taking out the pollutants that you have collected. It’s really important to do the maintenance, just as important as the initial design.
 

How the city of Lahti became a European Green Capital? 

Our next chat was with Jenni Rahkonen, Environmental Coordinator at the city of Lahti where she focuses especially on the circular economy issues and sustainable development.
Lahti had just published its first sustainability report in the Spring, so Jenni shared some of the challenges she has faced in making Lahti more sustainable. She explained that old habits were a big issue. Changing the way that we think from the current linear model where you just make, use and throw away materials and products, to the circular model where materials are used again and again. The big challenge is how to change the minds of people and how to change the normal business models we have been using for years and years.
Lahti became the European Green Capital in 2021. Jenni told us about the long journey they had made, starting with the environmental work preserving the local lake, Vesijärvi. She also told us how, in 2017, they introduced in the Päijät Häme area of Lahti, the first regional road map towards a circular economy. Nowadays, Lahti has the ambitious goal for the future to become carbon neutral by 2025 and the really big target of becoming a zero-waste city by 2050.
 

How to go from gray to green infrastructure? 

Our final fascinating chat of the series was with Tallulah Lutkin, Utility Performance Editor at Global Water Intelligence (GWI).
At GWI, they basically have a global network of all people on the ground and in the field who can give them great information. They then collect all these pieces of the puzzle and turn it into the global picture of the water industry.
Green infrastructure has a purpose or a function. I.e., to prevent flooding and make us more climate resilient, but it also improves the quality of life. As a member of the public, you might not know that this park is also functioning as a stormwater buffer, it’s just a place where you can ride your bike.
Tallulah also suggested that we are paying too little for water, explaining that it’s vital, but it’s costly and we do not pay enough for it. There is, of course, the question of it being a public good, and this is true. You don’t want water to be unaffordable because everyone needs it. In order to improve the sustainability of water Tallulah stressed the importance of raising both the public and the political profile of water .

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